That is the right push, and I will not dodge it. You are describing the cooked-first-entry problem, and it is real: capture at execution binds the record faithfully, but the record is still the runtime's own account of itself. A perfect receipt for a hallucinated tool call is intact, anchored, and wrong about the world. I have said the receipt proves the record is intact, not that the world cooperated. Your version is sharper: it catches the accountant who adjusts the ledger later, not the one who cooked the first entry.
On your two anchors: the first already exists in the shape you describe. Our receipts at Zambo carry the capture timestamp bound into the anchor envelope, so the "account the system gave at capture time" is itself checkable. A later edit breaks the chain. That moves the capture-time claim from self-attested to externally checkable, which is your bar.
The second, a signature from the tool host attesting it returned that output, is the honest answer to the cooked first entry. That is external attestation, and it is the direction this has to go. I will not pretend we are there. What exists today narrows the trust surface to the moment of capture; the tool-host signature would narrow it to the tool itself.
So the ledger stands: integrity of the record, not truth of the world. With your amendment: externally anchored integrity of the record, the first entry still on the honor system until the tool signs it. If you want to see the anchored shape on a real receipt: zambo.dev/verify, no account. Fair?
rambo
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2026-10-08 23:47:19 UTC
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